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  1. #1
    The Unknown Hooligan
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    E Track Question

    I broke down and purchased a 6x10 Aluma trailer to haul around the bikes and ATV. Great trailer that pulls nicely with the ATV on it, but now it's time to set it up for the bikes.

    Anyone with experience with E Track systems? Tie downs, chocks and the like?

    I'm slightly concerned about corrosion using steel or stainless fasteners with an aluminum deck.

    Thanks in advance.
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    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: E Track Question

    I have 2 Baxley chocks. They are the only type I will ever use!!!

    Big Harry

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    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: E Track Question

    These bad boy Baxley products here in BAMAland

    Just called them and spoke to a really nice guy (well all Alabama people are nice)! he had some great info and based on what I'm going to do with the stand he suggested I change to a different style... which I did!

    I just order the LA trailer... looking forward to it!

    So BIG HARRY Thanks for the suggestion... I figured if you had 2 of something it must be a damn good product

    If anyone calls ask for Chip... great guy and know his stuff!

    Good luck with your tie down decision

    Wayne

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    CarlM
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    Re: E Track Question

    I am setting up a trailer right now too.
    1 side has a harbor freight trailer chock. The other side have a pit bull trailer restraint. Middle and left has option for a Condor wheel chock. Couple things about the Condor is it will fold down if you need. It is square so it crams in the front of a pickup bed nice. Plus the Condor is adjustable for wheel diameter
    I made a fixture out of channel that holds two and I tie the bike to it. Also the Condor comes with a bracket to lock it on a trailer.

    I am putting an E track down the center to hook to

    https://www.condor-lift.com/
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    In Charge of McGov Only
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    Re: E Track Question

    Baxley chalks and bolt on retractable straps that the boat guys use. I'll post a link to them later if you can't find them.

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    CarlM
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    Re: E Track Question

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    Old e track I took out of a semi trailer I have for storage. I painted beforinstalling.
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    The Unknown Hooligan
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    Re: E Track Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Pete View Post
    Baxley chalks and bolt on retractable straps that the boat guys use. I'll post a link to them later if you can't find them.
    Something like these?

    https://www.amazon.com/BoatBuckle-Re.../dp/B01JIJS1MM

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    CarlM
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    Re: E Track Question

    I have some similar laying around that is used to tie wheel chairs in a bus.


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    In Charge of McGov Only
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    Re: E Track Question

    Quote Originally Posted by farmerjoe View Post


    Yep, I don't have the stainless ones and they've been on my outside trailer for more than 15 years without any problems.

    Bolt them on the front and the sides, they don't get stolen and you don't lose them. Makes securing bikes and quads very simple.

  11. #11
    CarlM
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    Re: E Track Question

    http://rackstrap.com/

    I has two of these on an old jet ski trailer I was making into a bike trailer.


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    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: E Track Question

    Quote Originally Posted by farmerjoe View Post
    Recommendation: Get yourself a 4 good soft ties

    https://www.amazon.com/s?k=soft+ties...b_sb_ss_i_1_10
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    Father Joe
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    Re: E Track Question

    Quote Originally Posted by BAMA-ZRX View Post
    These bad boy Baxley products here in BAMAland

    Just called them and spoke to a really nice guy (well all Alabama people are nice)! he had some great info and based on what I'm going to do with the stand he suggested I change to a different style... which I did!

    I just order the LA trailer... looking forward to it!

    So BIG HARRY Thanks for the suggestion... I figured if you had 2 of something it must be a damn good product

    If anyone calls ask for Chip... great guy and know his stuff!

    Good luck with your tie down decision

    Wayne
    Dang it Wayne. I have a Baxley LA chock just sitting around (bought it cuz the price was right at just over $100).
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    Two wheeled FREAK
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    Re: E Track Question

    Would suggest offsetting the chocks by 2-6” or so especially if putting three bikes on a narrow deck. Prevents handle bars from banging etc.

    With aluminum deck you might want to cut a few pieces of plywood into squares etc to go underneath to prevent hardware from damaging etc. Or some big washers etc. And loctite on all the hardware. Vibrations happen lol.




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    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: E Track Question

    Would suggest offsetting the chocks by 2-6” or so especially if putting three bikes on a narrow deck. Prevents handle bars from banging etc.

    With aluminum deck you might want to cut a few pieces of plywood into squares etc to go underneath to prevent hardware from damaging etc. Or some big washers etc. And loctite on all the hardware. Vibrations happen lol.
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    Big Harry

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    Father Joe
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    Re: E Track Question

    There's also the issue of dissimilar metals (steel chock, aluminum trailer deck) reaction. You want a nice physical separation between those dissimilar metals.
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    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: E Track Question

    Quote Originally Posted by McGovZRX View Post
    There's also the issue of dissimilar metals (steel chock, aluminum trailer deck) reaction. You want a nice physical separation between those dissimilar metals.
    The best pevention is to seal out moisture and air from any area where metals contact, the moisture/humidity act as electrolyte causing and electrical reaction and thus corrosion, by the time you see any evidence of this on aluminun is usually too late.

    In an outdoor situation a good easy solution is to use permatex ultra grey or similar HD sensor safe/noncorrosive sealant on all contact points and install fasteners with thread/shanks liberally coated in sealant.

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    CarlM
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    Re: E Track Question

    Quote Originally Posted by McGovZRX View Post
    There's also the issue of dissimilar metals (steel chock, aluminum trailer deck) reaction. You want a nice physical separation between those dissimilar metals.
    condor is aluminum


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  19. #19
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: E Track Question

    Quote Originally Posted by green12 View Post
    condor is aluminum
    On aluminum you are better off using a zinc coated steel bolts, coated in sealant, they are stronger than SS and cause less dissimilar metal corrosion.

    Stainless steel fasteners is second worst to titanium for corrosion, when used in direct contact with aluminum

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  20. #20
    CarlM
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    Re: E Track Question

    The condor has a bracket that bolts to the frame. The condor slips and locks into that. The bracket is steel the lugs that lock in are SS. the feel on the condor are rubber.


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  21. #21
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: E Track Question

    Quote Originally Posted by green12 View Post
    The condor has a bracket that bolts to the frame. The condor slips and locks into that. The bracket is steel the lugs that lock in are SS. the feel on the condor are rubber.
    I realize there's a lot of people using that mounting braket, etc. without issues, I just don't have a lot of confidence on the small mounting fasteners and thumbscrew lock , I would be using grade 8 steel bolts on at least the fwd mounts.
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    Airbox w/ K+N
    Full Akro
    OEM ign. +5 Adv
    Dyno 131.7 HP/80.4 TQ.
    Ohlins RS, Race tech fork
    Fork brace+Steering damper




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  22. #22
    CarlM
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    Re: E Track Question

    Prolly. I always cram mine into front of trailer or truck though. I just tie it down in toy hauler.


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  23. #23
    CarlM
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    Re: E Track Question

    BTW: I might be selling my Kendon. I like it but the trailer im setting up will be more universal. haul refrigerators, kids quads, barrels.

    Feelers for Kendon. pics later and post . I can deliver to long beach or somewhere between


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    Re: E Track Question

    Quote Originally Posted by green12 View Post
    BTW: I might be selling my Kendon. I like it but the trailer im setting up will be more universal. haul refrigerators, kids quads, barrels.

    Feelers for Kendon. pics later and post . I can deliver to long beach or somewhere between
    Double Kendon? Send me pics and prices Carl.
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  25. #25
    CarlM
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    Re: E Track Question

    Double.


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  26. #26
    CarlM
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    Re: E Track Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Allen#212 View Post
    I realize there's a lot of people using that mounting braket, etc. without issues, I just don't have a lot of confidence on the small mounting fasteners and thumbscrew lock , I would be using grade 8 steel bolts on at least the fwd mounts.
    condor and others make trailer specific chocks. This model is for shop also.


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  27. #27
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: E Track Question

    High grade stainless steel fasteners are what should be used for aluminum construction. No (or very, very little) Galvanic action corrosion. Zinc-plated fasteners work by sacrificing the zinc, so they work, but don't last forever.

    I had issues with Galvanic action-induced corrosion with my OEM aluminum wheels against a steel hub on my bimmer. Had to pound the wheel off with a 2x4 section and 2 1/2 pound sledge. After that I made a point of putting a thin (as thin as possible) coat of anti-seize on where the wheel hits the hub. No oxygen, no corrosion, wheel falls right off when unfastened.

  28. #28
    CarlM
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    Re: E Track Question

    Yah. We need a jack off emogee


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  30. #30
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: E Track Question

    , nice chart, that clearly shows that "zinc plated" is best choice for aluminum, for general use.
    By far the best is IVD aluminum coated fasteners, IME they are extensively used on aviation to coat reactive metals, not cheap, but nothing in aviation is

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    Dyno 131.7 HP/80.4 TQ.
    Ohlins RS, Race tech fork
    Fork brace+Steering damper




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