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  1. #31
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cadman View Post
    I'm not defending PG&E, but I think I see both side of this. Maybe it's the scale that is hard to get around. "clear the underbrush from the forests" How many people, for how many days per square mile, times thousands of square miles? Using Google Earth, when you look at Kalifornia, the green part is forest, and the state is about 700 miles long. Even with all the fire roads there are, the mountains have areas that no machine can access. The fires we just had were hard to control because of access and the wind throwing embers for hundreds of yards causing spot fires down wind. There is no fire break big enough if the wind is blowing like it was today.

    It's often money. The fix might be to put the lines in the ground. There are places where that would be very difficult, and who could pay for that? The state is bankrupt as is PG&E.

    Bring your garden tools and we can get started.
    ^ this

    What I was saying earlier. No matter the decision, Cali is huge and there’s the money thing
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  2. #32
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Quote Originally Posted by McGovZRX View Post
    I'm wanting to thank enviro Nazis to a great extent. Though there's surely many tentacles on this crap the reality is that PG&E is having to choose the current lesser of two evils.

    Almost every road leads out of California at some point. Get on one of them guys.
    PG&E was sued by enviro groups to NOT cut trees that endangered power lines. the State also required permits.


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  3. #33
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    The question mark in the heading made this post incendiary
    #1212

  4. #34
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Keeping foliage cut from around power lines is never ending, areas are put on a rotation and done regularly, perhaps every 3-5 years to cut back tree limbs over/near the lines. Most of the southeast is rural and the clearance is maintained around power lines, paid for by the local utility companies. CA is much more densely populated with more people per square mile higher utility cost, I doubt it's the cost of cutting, more the cost of fighting lawsuits from environmentalist if they were to keep the area clear. Wonder how long before CA residents are told not to use any water, suspect the sewage lift stations are powered by electricity, no power no pumping. If it's yellow let it mellow, if it's brown flush it down.

    When we lived at the coast the mainland had foliage cut from around the power lines, on the island the environmentalist fought the power companies to restrict the clearing, mainland would have power back within days after a hurricane, up to two weeks for the island but they wanted to protect the tree canopy. The sanitary lift stations on the island would be done causing problems for island residents.

  5. #35
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    ice storms knock the most trees down around here

    so sparks not a problem! LOL

    but be nice if they'd just bury the cables though
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  6. #36
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Quote Originally Posted by jefflthomas View Post
    ice storms knock the most trees down around here

    so sparks not a problem! LOL

    but be nice if they'd just bury the cables though
    The town where I grew up all the cables were buried. Doing that in a state the size of Cali might be cost prohibitive though. That’s for legislature to figure out
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  7. #37
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    California should do what Finland does and "rake the forest floor".

    Better get to gettin'.

  8. #38
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    The town where I grew up all the cables were buried. Doing that in a state the size of Cali might be cost prohibitive though. That’s for Utility Companies to figure out

  9. #39
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Quote Originally Posted by AL Terry View Post
    That’s for Utility Companies to figure out
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  10. #40
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Sharing from a friend.
    PSPS is the acronym for “Public Safety Power Shutoff”.
    New Ca law (enacted by PUC and signed by Gov Newsome) REQUIRES utilities (ALL, not just PG&E) to de-energize areas that face severe wind threat/ fire risk.
    This has the Doppler effect of potentially impacting huge swaths of the State if that threat impacts a “Transmission” (500/230KV) Tower corridor(s).
    When that level of shut off is enacted, you don’t just flip a switch back on. The law requires PG&E to physically/visually inspect every single piece of equipment (down voltage) of the shut down BEFORE it can be re-energized. This means every tower, line, transformer, pad apparatus, substation, pole, reclosure, etc.
    This is why a 2 day event can potentially keep areas dark for several days after the threat has passed. It is a MASSIVE man hrs. labor intensive process on 24/7 overtime staffing.
    PG&E loses HUGE $$ when this is enacted as thousands of meters are not spinning and the labor cost to comply is huge. They don’t want to do these. They are legally mandated to now. This is the arrangement that was brokered through the PUC to balance the conflicting liability/service reliability laws. It is all driven because of California’s “Inverse Condemnation” liability conflict with PUC’s previous fining of the Company based on outage reliability.
    Prior, power shut off or outage = fine. Leave it on, and have ANY% role in a fire= 100% liability.
    If a limb 1/4 mile away blew into a transmission line and brought down hot conductor starting a fire?
    PG&E liable. No such thing as “Act of God” factored.
    No other State in the Nation has these asinine conflicts of law.
    So, to make this real. This is analogous to you knowing your daughter MAY have a bad hair dryer. Until she leaves, you shut your house main off. Now, by law, before you can flip the main switch back on, you must hire an electrician to inspect (and document) every breaker below your main, every wire in your attic, every wall switch, every outlet, etc. Then, you must one by one phase in all your breakers so you don’t shock load the system, then you have to go back and program all your digital electronics.
    Multiply this by 50K square miles.
    NOW, do you understand?



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  11. #41
    CarlM
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    We had to sell the PGE stock in my mother estate. To settle . 11/18 in was $48 . Had been @$70. We unloaded at $17. Now it is $7.


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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?



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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Looks bleak.
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  14. #44
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cadman View Post
    Looks bleak.
    looks like a buying opportunity if they can re call Gabbin Newson. City of San Fran talked about running their onw power grid. Oh where do we get power from?


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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daveman View Post
    California should do what Finland does and "rake the forest floor".

    Better get to gettin'.
    They used to clean up stuff and allow down wood to be gathered.


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  16. #46
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Electricity is evil.

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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    This thread is only good to read from 2,022 miles away. Dear goodness. The race to the bottom of stupid is a crowded field.
    I'm not completely useless. I can always be used as a bad example.

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  18. #48
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    The power company need to use wandering goat herds to eat up the underbrush.

    But not these guys - they tend to lay down on the job!!!

    Big Harry

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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Wind let up in the afternoon Thursday, and my brother called at 9:15 PM to say his power was back on. He has a generator, so it just cost him some propane.

    I went over to his place to check on him, as his phone was out too. I regretted not getting fuel in the Buick earlier this week as the stations I went by had no power to pump. I did get gas in the van this week, and filled a 5 gallon can for the tractor, so the tractor gas went into the Buick. I still have 5 more gallons in another can.

    My power never went off, so I have been working.

    I expect big fallout from this.
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Harry View Post
    The power company need to use wandering goat herds to eat up the underbrush.

    But not these guys - they tend to lay down on the job!!!

    The state suspended grazing leases in a lot of area. maybe cuz of cow farts? So the grass is tall too. the state is the problem PGE got fucked over. 20 years. Those goats move like the assembly.


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  21. #51
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Electric car owners in CA :

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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Goes both ways. Paradise had some bay area retirees move up there. Someone, not sure if was the new people or the old town people , didn't want trees cut down. They all burned.


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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Quote Originally Posted by AV80R View Post
    Electric car owners in CA :

    That's funny

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    BadAss Hooligan
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    NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Just heard on radio power restored to 50% of those affected. CEO said wind guts had reached as high as from 30- 77 mph

    Bad news- just saw story on fire in L.A. area- Saddle Ridge- Evactuations ordered

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fires-i...es-2019-10-11/


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  25. #55
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    NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Fires happen every year here. They are a natural part of the ecology of the state, long before humans colonized it.

    For one example, the largest trees in the world, which are located here, depend on forest fires to reproduce.

    Yes, humans cause some of the fires but the biggest impact humans have had is stopping the natural fires instead of letting them burn...which allows fuel to build up and then you get a really big POOF.

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  26. #56
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    True. Fires and earthquakes, among other hazards are a way of life there. If one moves there or simply lives there, that has to be taken into account. Same with the people who live on the coast or near flood plains/low lying areas. There was a quake there when I was there in '87
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    The highest winds reported were at the peaks of mountains. You want wind? New Hampshire on Mt. Washington is famous for it. 231 mph.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_...New_Hampshire)
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  28. #58
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cadman View Post
    The highest winds reported were at the peaks of mountains. You want wind? New Hampshire on Mt. Washington is famous for it. 231 mph.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_...New_Hampshire)
    Yes I knew that

    Hope the fire around LA gets contained
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  29. #59
    CarlM
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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    I live too far from a river to flood. too sandy for an earthquake to rock much. no forest to burn us. no deer to hit. no ghetto. not that bad of traffic. To the east is mountain to ride with no traffic in between. Just kinda bland though.


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    Re: NorCal PG & E bracing for fire season with extreme measure?

    Quote Originally Posted by green12 View Post
    I live too far from a river to flood. too sandy for an earthquake to rock much. no forest to burn us. no deer to hit. no ghetto. not that bad of traffic. To the east is mountain to ride with no traffic in between. Just kinda bland though.
    That's why they call it the Golden Valley (not the armpit like I've so rudely called it )
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