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  1. #1
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Rivet vs clip style master link.

    Been a while since I've done chain & sprockets on a street bike. My dirt bikes all used clip style master links. Most of the chains I've been eye balling use rivet style master links. Are these difficult to replace yourself ? Watched a few Youtube videos and seems you need a special tool which is rather expensive. Figured I'd throw it out there to the board for some real world advice. Any suggestions as to chains would also be appreciated.
    2003 ZRX-1200R
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    2006 Harley Davidson Softail Deluxe

  2. #2
    2009 Hooligan of the year
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    Austin, TX

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    You could always go with an EK chain that has a screw type master link.


  3. #3
    BadAss Hooligan
    Join Date
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    western Colorado

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    The tool is around 90 bucks. Once you have it you can install chains by following the instructions. I've had clip-type ML's fail, YMMV.
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    TMZ of the ZRXOA
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    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    Of all the m/c's I owned thru the years, all of them had the clip-style master link. Both dirt and street.

    Only had one single bad experience with a master link. It was many years ago when I had a 1986 Honda VF1000R. I was about 1/2 way thru my ride and I was waiting in line at a major intersection. Light turned green and right in the middle of the intersection, I lost the chain. I coasted thru the intersection and off to the side of the street.

    Parked the bike and I ran back into the intersection to retrieve the chain. Yes.....it was an embarrassing and humbling experience.

    Anyways, the chain was fine (no one ran over it) and I had a spare master link in the tool pouch. No matter what kind of bike I rode, I had spare master links.

    I pushed my bike over to a shady spot alongside a building. It took me about 15 min. to install the new master link. Thinking back to that day, I was very lucky that the clip fell off where it did. Only about an hour earlier, I was on I-17 and keeping up with traffic at about 85 mph or so. If it had come off at that speed, there's no telling what could have happened.

    That was my one and only bad experience with the clip style link. I'm talking over 55 yrs. of riding.
    Speed kills..........but only the dumb and the inexperienced!

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    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    A clip master link must not be used with anything above 25-30 HP if you like to keep your left leg and/or the left side of your bike intact.
    Dano was extremely lucky that his link failed in such a low load situation. Imagine a failure at highway speed...

    Use a rivet or screw type link. If you don't want to buy a tool for riveting you can use a clip type master link to carefully roll to a shop where they can rivet your link for a couple bucks into the tip jar.

    Just my 2ct.
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    BadAss Hooligan
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    Reedsburg,WI

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    I had a clip style master-link fail on my ZX9, it wadded up into the case and broke the waterpump, I was just pulling away from a stop light. My bike died instantly and started puking coolant and oil. I was very lucky it didn't destroy anything else, engine case was saveable. I will only use rivet type links now.
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    1968 Harley Davidson XLH
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  7. #7
    BadAss Hooligan
    Join Date
    May 2015
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    Birmingham, AL

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    If you use a clip type master link be sure the round side of the clip (not the open end) is in the direction of chain rotation.

    My 2 cents worth...
    On any high speed M/C I wouldn't use anything but a rivet type master link!

    Be safe

    Wayne

  8. #8
    BadAss Hooligan
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
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    Guyton, Georgia

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    Dave Ditner offers a master link that has nuts that snap off when tight. Very clever setup and look just like a pressed pin when done. No special tools required

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    TMZ of the ZRXOA
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    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    I'm playing it safe now. No more chains!

    Shaft-drive baby!!
    Speed kills..........but only the dumb and the inexperienced!

    ZRXOA Exalted Supreme Benevolent Grand Master Member #4875

    (Same as a friggin Pope) or (Gawd as it gets)


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    Father Joe
    Join Date
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    Burpinham, Babalama

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    Quote Originally Posted by BAMA-ZRX View Post
    If you use a clip type master link be sure the round side of the clip (not the open end) is in the direction of chain rotation.

    My 2 cents worth...
    On any high speed M/C I wouldn't use anything but a rivet type master link!

    Be safe

    Wayne
    While the guys above who have had clip failures prolly will not be able to recall their clip "direction" Wayne's note above is an absolute MUST. If you fail in this regard, well, let us just say that you are volunteering to increase your chain problems. Most clip chains have destructions that tell you to do this. But..........sigh.......most folks don't read the destructions.

    My lawyer too loves this gentle reminder >>> YMMV.
    I'm not completely useless. I can always be used as a bad example.

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  11. #11
    BadAss Hooligan
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    oakland county michigan

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    Used the clip style for years with the kz900s and kz1000s. Never had one fail. Would I use one today? No.

  12. #12
    TMZ of the ZRXOA
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    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    Quote Originally Posted by McGovZRX View Post
    While the guys above who have had clip failures prolly will not be able to recall their clip "direction" Wayne's note above is an absolute MUST. If you fail in this regard, well, let us just say that you are volunteering to increase your chain problems. Most clip chains have destructions that tell you to do this. But..........sigh.......most folks don't read the destructions.

    My lawyer too loves this gentle reminder >>> YMMV.

    My clip failed and I knew exactly what direction it had been put on. I've known that little tip since I was 9 yrs. old or so.

    I worked in a cycle shop while in high school, and we sold a lot of chain and master links. I always told the customers which way the clip was supposed to be facing. The vast majority didn't have a clue.
    Speed kills..........but only the dumb and the inexperienced!

    ZRXOA Exalted Supreme Benevolent Grand Master Member #4875

    (Same as a friggin Pope) or (Gawd as it gets)


  13. #13
    I came to ride
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    Little Rock, Arkansas

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    I used the clip style for decades -- several decades in fact -- with no problems. But there's no doubt the rivet is more secure. Buy the tool once, and you'll have it the rest of your life. You can find them pretty inexpensively on Amazon.

    FWIW, I don't bother with the breaker. I just cut the head off a rivet with a dremel tool and pop the link off with a chisel between the inner and outer link.
    .
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    '99 ZRX1100, Akropovic, jet kit
    '13 FJR1300, Givi touring stuff

  14. #14
    Father Joe
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    Burpinham, Babalama

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    Who is gonna stand up and recommend a "chain & rivet tool?" Oh oh.
    I'm not completely useless. I can always be used as a bad example.

    The People's rear loading pink Beach Bomb.

    Kwackifoofoo

  15. #15
    TMZ of the ZRXOA
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    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    In this day & age, I wouldn't use a clip-style master link. I did for five decades and I was lucky to be sure.
    Speed kills..........but only the dumb and the inexperienced!

    ZRXOA Exalted Supreme Benevolent Grand Master Member #4875

    (Same as a friggin Pope) or (Gawd as it gets)


  16. #16
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    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    Just buy this one and be done with it

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  17. #17
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Davenport,Florida

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    Quote Originally Posted by dano View Post
    My clip failed and I knew exactly what direction it had been put on. I've known that little tip since I was 9 yrs. old or so.

    I worked in a cycle shop while in high school, and we sold a lot of chain and master links. I always told the customers which way the clip was supposed to be facing. The vast majority didn't have a clue.
    The little fishy swims upstream.
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  18. #18
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    I think I sold or gave my chain tool away, I can't find it, but if you can borrow one from the board and need help I am just down the street... the trick is to take a cut off wheel and level off the pins on the flare side in order to make them easy to push out.

    Putting a new link in is easy with the tool
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  19. #19
    Hooligan
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Texas

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    I have the DID tool, and love the results. I never worry about any fishies or leaving the chain in the middle of an intersection. Anybody ever have a riveted master link fail?

  20. #20
    Hooligan
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
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    Indiana

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tacmedic View Post
    Just buy this one and be done with it

    I have this kit. I'm not that impressed with the kit. It dont like doing 530 chains. I grind the head off the rivet. It still mushrooms the head of the pin.

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  21. #21
    Father Joe
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    Aug 2009
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    Burpinham, Babalama

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    A number of ZRXOA celebrities SWEAR BY the DID chain tool.

    Sadly I have the inexpensive Motion Pro. It works fine. Just gotta be gentle. Like when you kiss aunt Gertrude.
    I'm not completely useless. I can always be used as a bad example.

    The People's rear loading pink Beach Bomb.

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  22. #22
    Hooligan
    Join Date
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    Rhode Island

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    I Lost the chain on my zx7 a few years back was leaving my road and just as I banged 2 gear it blew the chain off . Scared up my rim and bent the chain guard . Was probably going about 40 . I had just bought the bike and got it running was out for a test run .

    Then when I was walking back to pick up the chain a lady om a bike rides by and says . Do you know that your chain fell off .

    All the rest of my bikes have riveted chains and that one too now .



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  23. #23
    Wildcat Willy
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Wadsworth IL

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    EK Screw Master Link is really nice. I have two chain tools that I'll never use again, unless I need to hold my page down of the ZRX shop manual.
    Bill
    (formerly LawnBoy)

  24. #24
    BadAss Hooligan
    The Bean Pod

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    May 2008
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    Monroe, NC

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    Quote Originally Posted by McGovZRX View Post
    A number of ZRXOA celebrities SWEAR BY the DID chain tool.

    Sadly I have the inexpensive Motion Pro. It works fine. Just gotta be gentle. Like when you kiss aunt Gertrude.
    Impact hammer instead, brrrrttttt, brrrrrrttttt, done.

  25. #25
    Born In The USA
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Redding, CA.

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    This one looks like the Stockton kit I bought on sale at Cycle Gear.

    As was mentioned, Dremal to grind off the pin head on the link you are removing.

    https://www.amazon.com/ABN-Chain-Bre...5FT3QAEYFXPT79
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  26. #26
    BadAss Hooligan
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    College Station, TX

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    YMMV.......

    I ran a clip on my 1224 for several years. Even ran the Texas Mile with one....twice.
    In 40 years of riding, I had one chain failure. That was on a GS1000 and was due to poor (basically none) chain maintenance.

  27. #27
    avtech3d
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Chandler, Arizona 85286

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    Since we're making tool suggestions, this one has been good to me.

    https://www.mikesxs.net/yamaha-xs650...ivet-tool.html

    I got the newer "DID" brand replacement pin, KM500R-PIN, for doing their proprietary masters, but I haven't found a chain it won't do. EK, Tsukigi, RK, etc....
    Member #9225
    99 ZRX1100

  28. #28
    TMZ of the ZRXOA
    Join Date
    May 2003
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    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexter View Post
    YMMV.......

    I ran a clip on my 1224 for several years. Even ran the Texas Mile with one....twice.
    In 40 years of riding, I had one chain failure. That was on a GS1000 and was due to poor (basically none) chain maintenance.

    For one reason or another, proper chain care was always very high on my list. Even as a kid on a mini-bike. The chain was kept lubed and properly adjusted.

    I suppose I felt that it was the driving force (literally) on my machines. If it goes south, all forward motion comes to a halt. Who wants that to occur?

    A clean, well-lubed, and properly adjusted chain is a happy chain.
    Speed kills..........but only the dumb and the inexperienced!

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  29. #29
    avtech3d
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Chandler, Arizona 85286

    Re: Rivet vs clip style master link.

    I need a chain to last, maintained or not. I have a clip style on my project bike, but the one I'm riding gets a rivet. Either choice should me maintained, so why use the lesser of the two on a ZRX.

    It's not that hard, and came from the factory with a rivet master. Other bikes may vary
    Member #9225
    99 ZRX1100

  30. #30
    BadAss Hooligan
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Madison, WI

    Rivet vs clip style master link.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cadman View Post
    This one looks like the Stockton kit I bought on sale at Cycle Gear.

    As was mentioned, Dremal to grind off the pin head on the link you are removing.

    https://www.amazon.com/ABN-Chain-Bre...5FT3QAEYFXPT79
    I know the Stockton tool will not rivet an EK ZVX3 chain. Learned that last time I replaced my chain. I got the screw-type master, if I can do it itís foolproof.


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