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  1. #61
    President of the ZRXOA
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    Re: I've got shite luck

    What a weird failure
    Arash (pronounced "our-ash")

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  2. #62
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    Re: I've got shite luck

    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold4x4 View Post
    It devolved to the point in the last mile that it won't even crank now. Choke had no effect on it from what I could tell that last mile it had the be kept above 3 grand to not sound like a bucket of rocks bouncing around. It's possible that there is some trash in the carbs or I got bad gas. Unfortunately I'm short on tools here and I can't make everyone else suffer through my diagnosis period. I'll look Sunday when I get home. Just was in a foul mood this morning and was venting didn't mean to blow off any good ideas on how to trouble shoot it.

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    Nevermind...I gave some suggestions already...

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  3. #63
    Color Monitor
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
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    Wisconsin

    Re: I've got shite luck

    Well, along with that cam, your head is toast also. Time to look for a used head and cams. It shouldn't be too hard to find.


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    TGHW
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  4. #64
    BadAss Hooligan
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
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    Austin TX.

    Re: I've got shite luck

    Going to be a lot of metal ran through that motor so a complete tear down to clean it all out or just find a complete replacement motor.

  5. #65
    BadAss Hooligan
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
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    Shiny Side Up ^

    Re: I've got shite luck

    WOW - I've never seen a failure like this before. Good Luck

    Big Harry

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    George Carlin

  6. #66
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Jul 2015
    Location
    Birmingham, AL

    Re: I've got shite luck

    Yea replacement is looking like the correct path here. But I dunno... , I guess I've got to side line the zrx for a while and get some other projects done so she can get the attention she needs.

    Just disheartening mainly.

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    2000 ZRX1100 - Mad Max black 1109 with full kerker exhaust with custom baffle, pod filters, ZX Cams, ZX11 ECU +2 advancer, and 6spd trans and CVK40's with a prototype jet kit. Ridden daily and rarely clean.
    1997 KDX 200 - Tons of blingy parts on a crap bike. Imagine a Roadkill dirtbike...

    2006 XC90 V8 AWD - A bit of this, a bit of that and a whole ton of dog hair.
    1982 Porsche 928 - A serious PITA, but I can't get rid of it till it's working.

  7. #67
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: I've got shite luck

    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold4x4 View Post
    Yea replacement is looking like the correct path here. But I dunno... , I guess I've got to side line the zrx for a while and get some other projects done so she can get the attention she needs.

    Just disheartening mainly.
    Hang in There!!!
    Big Harry

    "As you swim the river of life, do the breast stroke. It helps to clear the turds from your path!"
    George Carlin

  8. #68
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    Re: I've got shite luck

    I posted in another thread on this:

    Rocker shafts could be in the wrong positions. It is in the shop manual, but you have to look hard to find the info. The oiling holes are in different locations on each.

    Oil lines: Are the GREG Couchís, or from somewhere else?

    Itís easy to crack/bend the cams on install...you can even break one when installing...call me for info on this.

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  9. #69
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Aug 2001
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    Christmas, FL

    Re: I've got shite luck

    "Itís easy to crack/bend the cams on install...you can even break one when installing... "

    Very true statement, oem cams are hardened cast iron, thus they are very brittle, must install tightening bearing caps evenly, etc. Seen this kind of failure before.

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    Fact. 1.0 w/Ti.,108 MJ
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  10. #70
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Jul 2015
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    Birmingham, AL

    Re: I've got shite luck

    Would it make since that the cams and caps have been in place for almost 5k miles before this failure? Not saying I couldn't have screwed up and I'd be happier knowing that it was a dumb installation issue. However I'm quite certain the caps were put back on in the correct order and torqued to spec. I have gopro time lapse of the install thst I'll go back and check.

    My gut says that KWICK's idea about knicking an oring during reassembly of the bottom end during the transmission swap seems like the likely culprit. As that was less than a couple of hundred miles previous. Also that was a rush job trying to get the bike ready for a track day so I'm more likely to beleive that's where the fault lies than when I was doing the 1109 build over the course of the winter and being pretty damn careful.

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    2000 ZRX1100 - Mad Max black 1109 with full kerker exhaust with custom baffle, pod filters, ZX Cams, ZX11 ECU +2 advancer, and 6spd trans and CVK40's with a prototype jet kit. Ridden daily and rarely clean.
    1997 KDX 200 - Tons of blingy parts on a crap bike. Imagine a Roadkill dirtbike...

    2006 XC90 V8 AWD - A bit of this, a bit of that and a whole ton of dog hair.
    1982 Porsche 928 - A serious PITA, but I can't get rid of it till it's working.

  11. #71
    Devilsí Advocate
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    Re: I've got shite luck

    Check the rocker shaft markings as you take it apart.

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  12. #72
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: I've got shite luck

    Quote Originally Posted by KWICK View Post
    Check the rocker shaft markings as you take it apart.
    I've never pulled the rocker shafts off. But the rockers on 2 and 3 are destroyed. If they were ever swapped it was before my ownership over 30k miles ago.

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    2000 ZRX1100 - Mad Max black 1109 with full kerker exhaust with custom baffle, pod filters, ZX Cams, ZX11 ECU +2 advancer, and 6spd trans and CVK40's with a prototype jet kit. Ridden daily and rarely clean.
    1997 KDX 200 - Tons of blingy parts on a crap bike. Imagine a Roadkill dirtbike...

    2006 XC90 V8 AWD - A bit of this, a bit of that and a whole ton of dog hair.
    1982 Porsche 928 - A serious PITA, but I can't get rid of it till it's working.

  13. #73
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    Re: I've got shite luck

    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold4x4 View Post
    I've never pulled the rocker shafts off. But the rockers on 2 and 3 are destroyed. If they were ever swapped it was before my ownership over 30k miles ago.

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    Just giving the possibilities without all the facts.

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  14. #74
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Birmingham, AL

    Re: I've got shite luck

    Quote Originally Posted by KWICK View Post

    Just giving the possibilities without all the facts.
    No I definitely appreciate the brain storming. It's just painful to know I have to go back through the entire motor yet again...

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    2000 ZRX1100 - Mad Max black 1109 with full kerker exhaust with custom baffle, pod filters, ZX Cams, ZX11 ECU +2 advancer, and 6spd trans and CVK40's with a prototype jet kit. Ridden daily and rarely clean.
    1997 KDX 200 - Tons of blingy parts on a crap bike. Imagine a Roadkill dirtbike...

    2006 XC90 V8 AWD - A bit of this, a bit of that and a whole ton of dog hair.
    1982 Porsche 928 - A serious PITA, but I can't get rid of it till it's working.

  15. #75
    President of the ZRXOA
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Pleasanton, CA

    Re: I've got shite luck

    Iím so sorry this happened to you.

    Iím sure youíre gutted, but at least you have the know how to fix it.
    Arash (pronounced "our-ash")

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  16. #76
    Devilsí Advocate
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    Re: I've got shite luck

    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold4x4 View Post
    No I definitely appreciate the brain storming. It's just painful to know I have to go back through the entire motor yet again...

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    I know the feeling...but knowing what happened will help it not happen again :-)

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  17. #77
    Color Monitor
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    Feb 2004
    Location
    Wisconsin

    Re: I've got shite luck

    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold4x4 View Post
    Would it make since that the cams and caps have been in place for almost 5k miles before this failure? Not saying I couldn't have screwed up and I'd be happier knowing that it was a dumb installation issue. However I'm quite certain the caps were put back on in the correct order and torqued to spec. I have gopro time lapse of the install thst I'll go back and check.

    My gut says that KWICK's idea about knicking an oring during reassembly of the bottom end during the transmission swap seems like the likely culprit. As that was less than a couple of hundred miles previous. Also that was a rush job trying to get the bike ready for a track day so I'm more likely to beleive that's where the fault lies than when I was doing the 1109 build over the course of the winter and being pretty damn careful.

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    What did you mean by this statement in post #60?

    "The cam caps were loose on the intake cam but it had been probably 3 or 4k miles since I'd opnerd the valve cover."



    TG
    TGHW
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  18. #78
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Jul 2015
    Location
    Birmingham, AL

    Re: I've got shite luck

    Quote Originally Posted by TGHW View Post
    What did you mean by this statement in post #60?

    "The cam caps were loose on the intake cam but it had been probably 3 or 4k miles since I'd opnerd the valve cover."



    TG
    When we pulled the valve cover the cam caps on the intake cam were loose and barely still on. The bearings were trashed as well. The last time I had the valve cover off was when I did the 1109 upgrade and did the double valve spring install. Almost certain I torqued those properly as I did it on the bench not in the bike.

    A machinist friend believes they came loose after it snapped the cam and likely had work enough material away that it rattled like hell for a minute or so until I cut it off. Which jives with the original though of it sounds like rocks in the engine.

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    1997 KDX 200 - Tons of blingy parts on a crap bike. Imagine a Roadkill dirtbike...

    2006 XC90 V8 AWD - A bit of this, a bit of that and a whole ton of dog hair.
    1982 Porsche 928 - A serious PITA, but I can't get rid of it till it's working.

  19. #79
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    Re: I've got shite luck

    Did you install Kawasaki springs? APE? Kibble White?

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  20. #80
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Birmingham, AL

    Re: I've got shite luck

    Quote Originally Posted by KWICK View Post
    Did you install Kawasaki springs? APE? Kibble White?
    As far as I know they were used zx-11 springs. But looks like the springs and keepers are all still exactly where they are supposed to be it did spit 3 shims out.

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    2000 ZRX1100 - Mad Max black 1109 with full kerker exhaust with custom baffle, pod filters, ZX Cams, ZX11 ECU +2 advancer, and 6spd trans and CVK40's with a prototype jet kit. Ridden daily and rarely clean.
    1997 KDX 200 - Tons of blingy parts on a crap bike. Imagine a Roadkill dirtbike...

    2006 XC90 V8 AWD - A bit of this, a bit of that and a whole ton of dog hair.
    1982 Porsche 928 - A serious PITA, but I can't get rid of it till it's working.

  21. #81
    RIP - 9/15/2019
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    Alameda, Ca

    Re: I've got shite luck

    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold4x4 View Post
    I've never pulled the rocker shafts off. But the rockers on 2 and 3 are destroyed. If they were ever swapped it was before my ownership over 30k miles ago.

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    Were the springs on the oil rail side of the rocker shafts installed? Part number 92144B - if they are 'missing' then the
    rocker shaft can move, causing the oil holes to mis-align. If the oil rail bolts had been removed they may not have made
    it back into in.

    Happened on my bike.


 

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