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  1. #1
    Hooligan
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    Starting problem despite good battery

    Saturday I was out on a long event ride, having a good 'ol time. The Harley in the group needed gas, so we stopped early in the afternoon. I had no problems whatsoever until then. When we were ready to leave, I turned on the key, hit the starter button, and nada.

    The neutral light was then very dim, and hitting the starter button did absolutely nothing. No turnover, no clicking, nothing. I checked the ignition fuse, and it was fine. We got a jumper cable, hooked the ZRX to a Buell, let it fuel the battery for a bit, and tried again: it kinda started to very slowly turn over, but no luck.

    We then bump started it easily, and I rode home.

    This morning, I took the battery out and connected it to the charger. Not only is the battery fine, but it's at full charge. This makes me think the alternator must be OK.

    I put the battery back in, turned the key, and the neutral and dash lights looked bright and normal. I hit the starter button and there was a click from the right side of the bike, but no turn-over. The dash lights were then dim again...and are if I turn the key on now.

    Any obvious ideas? Just a simple short? The manual includes a laundry list of possibilities... (I've not had any starting problems ever. I'm also not an electrical whiz by a long shot...I'd rather deal with almost any other problem.)

    I've had another nagging (and yet unsolved) electrical issue with the blinkers, but I wouldn't think it's related. I haven't yet found any bad/exposed wires in the usually cited places (steering head, right side cover). But I haven't pulled the whole bike apart yet to check every possibility. Maybe that's my answer, but I thought I'd ask to see if anyone has run into a similar problem and could help me narrow it down more quickly.
    Jeremy

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    The Voice Of Reason
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Quote Originally Posted by jschultz View Post
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    Any obvious ideas?.
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  3. #3
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Ignition switch?
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Quote Originally Posted by John T View Post
    Petcock o ring.


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    Pesky Canadian
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    But he was able to bump start it. If that's the case then it can't be vapor lock

    I'm thinking bad ground...possibly something grounding out on the starter.
    Jeff

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  6. #6
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Recall ID #1239 - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:WIRING
    Recall Date
    SEP 17, 2001

    Motorcycle Affected
    2001 KAWASAKI ZRX1200-A

    Summary
    VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: MOTORCYCLES. A SECTION OF THE WIRING HARNESS LOCATED ABOVE THE HEADLIGHT IS ROUTED INCORRECTLY.

    Consequence
    AS A RESULT, TURNING THE HANDLEBAR CAN CAUSE ABRASION OF THE WIRE HARNESS SHEATH AND WIRING INSULATION LEADING TO MALFUNCTION OF THE TURN SIGNALS, INSTRUMENT LIGHTS, OR INDICATOR LIGHTS. MALFUNCTION OF ANY OF THESE ITEMS COULD CREATE THE RISK OF A CRASH RESULTING IN INJURY OR DEATH.

    Remedy
    DEALERS WILL RE-ROUTE THE WIRING HARNESS AND EXAMINE THE HARNESS AND CLAMP FOR ANY SIGNS OF DAMAGE. DAMAGED CLAMPS OR WIRES WILL BE REPAIRED OR REPLACED AS APPROPRIATE. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN OCTOBER 1, 2001. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE REMEDY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT KAWASAKI AT 1-949-770-0400.

    Potential Motorcycles Affected
    3100

    Notes
    KAWASAKI MOTORS CORP.

    Read more: http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/mo...#ixzz3A75xDl7V
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    Devils’ Advocate
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Quote Originally Posted by gammer View Post
    But he was able to bump start it. If that's the case then it can't be vapor lock

    I'm thinking bad ground...possibly something grounding out on the starter.
    Hydrolock, but yes, you can "force" the motor past the gas with stock compression.

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    Kaw Killer...crash tester
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    check your harness real good ... it is a wiring problem ... the ignition wont fire if the voltage is too low .. like only 2 volts will kill the ignition

    Also check the plugs from the controls and under the tank ...

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    Hooligan
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Quote Originally Posted by gammer View Post

    I'm thinking bad ground...possibly something grounding out on the starter.
    Probably so.

    My ZRX is a 2003 so I don't think that recall applies.
    Jeremy

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    Sweet Pee
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Could just be a bad connection. Start by unplugging the fuses and starter relay (or unbolt it) and make sure your connections are good. Had the same problem with old blue. It was a bad connection at the fuses. Cleaned then up and no more issues.

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    Color Monitor
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    How old is the battery? You need to check it properly. Just because your charger indicates that it is ok doesn't mean crap. Check the static battery voltage with a DVM and then check it while you are cranking the starter. If it drops down below 11.5-11.8V while cranking it's probably bad.

    We go through this drill once a month on this board. Also check your battery terminals for tightness. Inspect the wire harness in two common places for chafing, around the steering head and under the right side cover where the harness runs along the frame.

    TG
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    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Quote Originally Posted by TGHW View Post
    How old is the battery? You need to check it properly. Just because your charger indicates that it is ok doesn't mean crap. Check the static battery voltage with a DVM and then check it while you are cranking the starter. If it drops down below 11.5-11.8V while cranking it's probably bad.

    We go through this drill once a month on this board. Also check your battery terminals for tightness. Inspect the wire harness in two common places for chafing, around the steering head and under the right side cover where the harness runs along the frame.

    TG
    ^This.

    If you have a Batteries Plus or Interstate Bat. store nearby, they will load-test it.
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  13. #13
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    My battery was new last year and this spring it crapped out. I is a sealed unit but I pried the caps off and found that all the plates were exposed. I filled it with distilled water and charged it and it has been going strong. (So far)

  14. #14
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    battery is dead, try jumping with another battery

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    Legal Eagle
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Get a new battery. One morning a few years ago, I was riding around all morning. Made a few stops and the bike would start right up. Stopped for gas and it wouldn't start. Battery dead with no warning and I keep it on a battery tender. New battery and all was well.

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    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    sounds like classic symptom of broken connector inside the battery - will check fine w/ voltmeter, but as soon as it is hit with a load............zip
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    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Just because the battery shows good on a tester doesn`t mean it is good to go...You really need to LOAD TEST it...As suggested by 1slomo...
    Go buy another battery and call it a day....
    I`m running a SHORAI Light weight battery in my 1200 and works great...

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    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Quote Originally Posted by paulzrx View Post
    Just because the battery shows good on a tester doesn`t mean it is good to go...You really need to LOAD TEST it...As suggested by 1slomo...
    Go buy another battery and call it a day....
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    Father Joe
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    Get a new battery. One morning a few years ago, I was riding around all morning. Made a few stops and the bike would start right up. Stopped for gas and it wouldn't start. Battery dead with no warning and I keep it on a battery tender. New battery and all was well.
    What Kenny said ^^^^. Plus use this opportunity to upgrade to Shorai Lithium Iron (note: NOT Ion) battery. The cats pajamas.
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Quote Originally Posted by McGovZRX View Post
    What Kenny said ^^^^. Plus use this opportunity to upgrade to Shorai Lithium Iron (note: NOT Ion) battery. The cats pajamas.
    ZRX = Japanes characters meaning "every problem is a chance to upgrade"

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    Hooligan
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Quote Originally Posted by paulzrx View Post
    Just because the battery shows good on a tester doesn`t mean it is good to go...You really need to LOAD TEST it...As suggested by 1slomo...
    Go buy another battery and call it a day....
    It was the battery.

    I took it to Batteries Plus...the voltage was fine but it flunked the load test immediately. New battery and it fired up just fine.

    Thanks all for the guidance and not too much public shaming.
    Jeremy

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    Legal Eagle
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Glad your problem was solved

  23. #23
    Been down that road more than twice...
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    This thread should be made a sticky in a new section titled "Why your ZRX won't start."

    Then we can lump all of these threads with the same theme/outcome into it. It'd fill up pretty fast.

  24. #24
    Pesky Canadian
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Glad it was a simple fix
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  25. #25
    Color Monitor
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Quote Originally Posted by btl68 View Post
    This thread should be made a sticky in a new section titled "Why your ZRX won't start."

    Then we can lump all of these threads with the same theme/outcome into it. It'd fill up pretty fast.
    Agreed, same issue over and over again. I doubt it would make much difference though because they never believe the battery is the problem. Almost every thread starts out with. "My battery is good".



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    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Quote Originally Posted by jschultz View Post
    It was the battery.

    I took it to Batteries Plus...the voltage was fine but it flunked the load test immediately. New battery and it fired up just fine.

    Thanks all for the guidance and not too much public shaming.
    WTG brother....
    Keep this problem in your memory banks just in case it happens again or to a buddy...
    Batteries will trick ya sometimes....I bought a HarboreFrieght load tester and it`s done it`s job many times for me and others...
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  27. #27
    Been down that road more than twice...
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Quote Originally Posted by TGHW View Post
    Agreed, same issue over and over again. I doubt it would make much difference though because they never believe the battery is the problem. Almost every thread starts out with. "My battery is good".



    TG
    There have been more than a few noobs to the board ask about a non-starting issue and describe it and members tell them to get a new battery, or at least check it/load test it. Some of the noobs get halfway belligerent and tell us they have been riding since 1917 or have worked in a MC shop for 30 years or have raced against Eddie Lawson when he was on the Kawasaki team and they just know it's the coils or the carbs or the phase of the moon...but not the battery.

    In this particular case, our suggestions were met with an open mind from the OP and were proven correct.

    Again.

  28. #28
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    You can easily load test a battery with a multimeter right in your garage, just like you would test for static voltage. Just hit the starter button and observe the voltage drop. If the bike doesn't start and the voltage is reading in the 10's or lower, it's the battery.

    Simple.

  29. #29
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    I have a friend who is a professional bike mechanic at a shop with over 25 years experience. Whenever such problems arise the first words out of his mouth is "check your battery connections and if they are good then check your battery". He claims that given the reliability of almost every bike, especially Japanese bikes, most electrical failures are the result of a dead or dying battery.
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    Devils’ Advocate
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    Re: Starting problem despite good battery

    Yuasa batteries usually only have a six-twelve month warranty, and the period is between you and the seller...there's a reason.

    "Yuasa Battery, Inc. does not handle warranty issues directly. All inquiries should be directed to the dealer where the battery was purchased. The dealer's distributor sets the warranty period and handles all warranty claims. The warranty time frame is not specified by Yuasa, but the majority of the distributors give 12 months free replacement, provided the customer has dated proof of purchase."

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