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  1. #1
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    1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    OK Im new to this 1100 stuff. I know the following are different, but what else?

    Swingarm. 1100 round and lame looking. 1200 strong.
    rear wheel more narrow. What, a half inch?
    Front forks? I know theres a different brace?
    Speedo. 1100 states 170, 1200 180mph. Both lie.
    Obviously the engine internals.
    Anything else?
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    improved steering head strength on the 1200
    cast iron cylinder liners on the 1100 vs nicasil or what ever the special coating is called on the 1200
    1 litre smaller gas tank on the 1100 but generally better fuel milage for some unkown reason Probably because we can carry more speed through the turns so we do not have to hit is so hard to catch up on the straights
    you can put a 160/60 on the back of the 1100 and really sharpen up the handling
    probably more but there are a few for ya
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    stock gearing is different between the two, but you knew that. And the rear wheel difference is more than the width... the rear sprockets are not interchangeable between 1100 & 1200.

    Stock handlebars are different... you'll find the 1100 gives you a more upright riding position.

    Gas cap mounting ring thingie is different. So is the tank-to-frame mount.

    I believe there's a slight difference in shock length - like 1/4".

    The ECUs are different. They're interchangeable, they're not physically different, but (I believe) their timing control is different.

    1200s have those nasty bronze engine covers.

    Your motor mod $$ will go a lot farther in the 1100.
    Last edited by Oxycodone; 10-29-2008 at 06:36 PM. Reason: keep remembering more...

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxycodone View Post
    Stock handlebars are different... you'll find the 1100 gives you a more upright riding position.
    .
    I thought they felt a little different....

    Mod money goes farther? Uh, because supply and demand?
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnie Phatt View Post
    you can put a 160/60 on the back of the 1100 and really sharpen up the handling

    jp
    do tell. a shorter sidewall is that correct? to what effect?

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by GA Limited GM View Post
    I thought they felt a little different....

    Mod money goes farther? Uh, because supply and demand?

    In some cases. ZX11 cams are way cheaper and easier to find than ZZR cams.

    1109 piston kits are usually less expensive than 1224 kits.

    The 1100 has iron sleeves, so there's no need for rather expensive replating after boring that you have to have on the 1200.

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by GA Limited GM View Post
    Good stuff Oxy. I'm going to try and hang onto this one awhile and being I'm about to break 50k, Im already thinking about an 1109 kit.
    53,000, all but a couple thou with an 1109.

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    The 1109 alone gained what? 10-15hp? Or did you do other stuff at the same time?
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by GA Limited GM View Post
    The 1109 alone gained what? 10-15hp? Or did you do other stuff at the same time?
    Stock ~92
    1109, Yosh cams, Yosh pipe, ZX11D carbs, mondo ported head, etc ~150

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    So you didnt dyno it each step to see what added what?
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxycodone View Post

    I believe there's a slight difference in shock length - like 1/4".


    I have a set of 1100 shocks and a set of 1200 shocks. Both are the same length.

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    Front forks:

    1100 any year - Forks are black. The top-most outer diameter is smallest on the 1100 because there is no bug deflector. Internals are rebuildable.

    1200 - 2001, 2002, 2003 - Forks are black. The top-most outer diameter is larger than the 1100 forks because Kaw added material so they could cut locating grooves in the housings. Internals are rebuildable.

    1200 / 2004, 2005 - Forks are silver, altho some 04s have black forks. The top-most outer diameter is larger (same as the earlier 1200s) than the 1100 forks because Kaw added material so they could cut locating grooves in the housings. Internals are not rebuildable.

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    Somewhere along the line the brake and clutch levers were made in silver on the 1200. They're black on the 1100.

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    The cylinder spacing is different on the 1100 vs. the 1200. That means the crankcase, block, and head are different.

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    The lower rear engine mount was changed for the 1200. Same bolt location for mounting the engine, but the frame has a different bracket.

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    Exhaust header and cans were changed for the 1200.

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    1100 has two horns. 1200 has only one.

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    Later model 1200s have different front rotors, as far as the cut-outs go. They will interchange. The 1100 and 2001/2002 rotors are the same.

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    Triple trees are different, but I do not know if it is all 1200s or just the 03 thru 05. They're silver, and do not have nuts on the lower clamp bolts. (Triple trees are threaded on the 1200)

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    Rear brake link/torque arm is shorter on the 1200.

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    1200 gages and idiot-light panel are different colors 1100 vs. 1200.
    1100's have chrome gauge housings. 1200's are black

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    The rear wheel on the 1200 is about 5mm farther to the right than the 1100 rear wheel.

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    Stock sprockets are different, 1100 vs. 1200

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    Chain part numbers are the same.

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    1100s have metal chain guards. 1200s have plastic chain guards. They do not interchange.

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    Side covers were color-matched on the 1100s & 04/04 1200s. They're all gray on the 01, 02, & 03 1200s.

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    Somewhere along the line the front calipers got a new color. Might have been in 01, might have been in 03.

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    Rear signals are different - 1100 have bullet connectors, 1200 have a multi-plug.
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxycodone View Post


    Stock handlebars are different... you'll find the 1100 gives you a more upright riding position.


    cheapcycleparts.com lists the same handlebar for 2000 thru 2002 = 46003

    2003 is listed as part number 46003/A
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by GA Limited GM View Post
    So you didnt dyno it each step to see what added what?
    I have over 150 dyno runs on Calista...I also have 7 zillion weights written down on lighter components somewhere...

    I do know she made 122 hp with the ZX11D cams and a Jardine prototype full system. 138 was her best with mildly ported head, ZX11 cams, 1109s and Yosh system.

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Ought to pretty well cover it.
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by GA Limited GM View Post

    rear wheel more narrow. What, a half inch?


    10 millimeters = .394"

    FWIW: the rear tire is also a larger diameter on the 1200. The rear axle on the 1200 in my garage is about 1" higher than the rear axle on my 1100.
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    1100's have chrome gauge housings. 1200's are black

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckc View Post
    Side covers were color-matched on the 1100s. They're all gray on the 1200s.
    Mine are green
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by GA Limited GM View Post
    I thought they felt a little different....

    Mod money goes farther? Uh, because supply and demand?
    no, that the engine shares dimension with the zx11, and that bike has used parts at lower prices & many more out there in the supply system (ebay) versus the 1200 only has an 5 yr run bike of the zzr1200 for cams and such,

    the 1200 frame has strengthened lower rear engine mounts.
    the tripple clamps have different angles on inclination that affects front geometery,
    they share the same front wheel,axle, speedo drive, brakes calipers, rotors, but not the rear wheel, its all different, you can swap the complete 1200 rear end( swingarm, wheel exct.) and it bolts up and chain aligns.
    the forks are similiar but not the same, they have the same adjustable points, however internals different, external dimension also slighty off.

    from 03 thru 05 the side covers are color matched
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    My 04 has black lower forks.

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by beantown View Post
    My 04 has black lower forks.


    I've seen that before. Could be left-overs from the previous years, or they coulda been swapped somewhere along the line.
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Side covers on 1200s are painted to match. at least after 04..
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckc View Post
    I've seen that before. Could be left-overs from the previous years, or they coulda been swapped somewhere along the line.
    Thought so too until we re-sprung the forks. Upper parts in the forks look nothing like an 01-03. I'm going to change fork oil this winter, I'll know for sure then.

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZrexRich View Post
    1100's have chrome gauge housings. 1200's are black

    Added to my list. Thanks.
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by Radical View Post
    Side covers on 1200s are painted to match. at least after 04..

    List edited to show this info.
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by beantown View Post
    Thought so too until we re-sprung the forks. Upper parts in the forks look nothing like an 01-03. I'm going to change fork oil this winter, I'll know for sure then.

    Be sure to fill us in. I'll make this thread stick at the top so ya can find it next spring.
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Here's one for you Chuckles........

    1100 and 1200 rear signals are different...1100 have bullet connectors, 1200 have a multi-plug.
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckc View Post
    I have a set of 1100 shocks and a set of 1200 shocks. Both are the same length.

    ---------------------
    Front forks:

    1100 any year - Forks are black. The top-most outer diameter is smallest on the 1100 because there is no bug deflector. Internals are rebuildable.

    1200 - 2001, 2002, 2003 - Forks are black. The top-most outer diameter is larger than the 1100 forks because Kaw added material so they could cut locating grooves in the housings. Internals are rebuildable.

    1200 / 2004, 2005 - Forks are silver, altho some 04s have black forks. The top-most outer diameter is larger (same as the earlier 1200s) than the 1100 forks because Kaw added material so they could cut locating grooves in the housings. Internals are not rebuildable.

    -----------------
    Somewhere along the line the brake and clutch levers were made in silver on the 1200. They're black on the 1100. 1100=blk, 1200= sil.

    ------------------
    The cylinder spacing is different on the 1100 vs. the 1200. That means the crankcase, block, and head are different.

    ------------------
    The lower rear engine mount was changed for the 1200. Same bolt location for mounting the engine, but the frame has a different bracket.

    ------------------
    Exhaust header and cans were changed for the 1200. 1100 headers have crossover tubes, are blk and are not SS. 1200 headers do not have crossover tubes, and are all SS. 01-03 1200 headers are blk, 04/05 headers are polished.
    ------------------
    1100 has two horns. 1200 has only one.

    ------------------
    Later model 1200s have different front rotors, as far as the cut-outs go. They will interchange. The 1100 and 2001/2002 rotors are the same. 1100/1200 frt. rotors are the all the same from 99-03, 04/05 rotors have diff. gold carrier design. 04/05 rear rotors are different than previous years but are interchangable.

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    Triple trees are different, but I do not know if it is all 1200s or just the 03 thru 05. They're silver, and do not have nuts on the lower clamp bolts. (Triple trees are threaded on the 1200) 04/05 lower triples are silver, uppers are blk.
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    Rear brake link/torque arm is shorter on the 1200.

    -------------------
    1200 gages and idiot-light panel are different colors 1100 vs. 1200.
    1100's have chrome gauge housings. 1200's are black, 01-03 gauge housings are gloss blk. 04/05 housings are frosted blk.-------------------
    The rear wheel on the 1200 is about 5mm farther to the right than the 1100 rear wheel.

    -------------------
    Stock sprockets are different, 1100 vs. 1200

    -------------------
    Chain part numbers are the same.

    -------------------
    1100s have metal chain guards. 1200s have plastic chain guards. They do not interchange.

    -------------------
    Side covers were color-matched on the 1100s & 04/04 1200s. They're all gray on the 01, 02, & 03 1200s. 03's are also color matched.

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    Somewhere along the line the front calipers got a new color. Might have been in 01, might have been in 03. Frt. and rear 1100's are gray, 01-03 1200's are gold, 04/05 1200's are blk.
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    Rear signals are different - 1100 have bullet connectors, 1200 have a multi-plug.
    Also:

    1100 swingarms are round tubing, 1200's are not (don't know how to describe the shape). 04/05 swingarms have a frosted silver finish.

    05 frames and rear peg supports are frosted blk.

    99-04 handlebars are blk, fork caps are blue. 05 handlebars and fork caps are gold.

    Some 03's and all 04/05 fork adjusters do not have clicks/detents.



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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Stock 1200 motor is 'smoother' than stock 1100 motor.
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckc View Post
    10 millimeters = .394"

    FWIW: the rear tire is also a larger diameter on the 1200. The rear axle on the 1200 in my garage is about 1" higher than the rear axle on my 1100.
    Aren't the wheels marked J17xMT5.0 for the 1100 and J17xMT5.50 for the 1200? That would make them .5" (12.7mm).
    I would also think that the tire brand would have a lot to do with the OD
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckc View Post
    cheapcycleparts.com lists the same handlebar for 2000 thru 2002 = 46003

    2003 is listed as part number 46003/A

    Hmm... When my '00 was in stock form, the riding position was very similar to Bobby's '01 with risers.

    I know handlebar position could be a factor. Any specs on frame changes? Is the rake different? Just my imagination?


 

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