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  1. #121
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keron View Post
    Having had both I'd say 1100 was a lot more fun. Not to mention a 1200 motor in an 11 frame with a bigger rear sprocket, jet kit and muzzy meg, was pure bliss... well till I tossed her down the road. I've a 1200 now, but she doesn't hit the spot like my old 11...could be the the color as well, or maybe it's me getting old. Perhaps I should grab an 1100 frame off ebay hhhmmm...
    I'm not sure the frame makes a difference... other folks can chime in. But i know exactly what you're talking about as I have an 1100 with a 1224 in it.
    One thing I know for sure causes different handling is the difference between the triple clamps offset on the 1200 and the 1100.

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    I thought the swing arm pivot was moved to cure the head shake that some 11s had? The 11 was silly enough to throw the odd tank slapper from time to time. Gotta look into the triple tree offset because I'm trying to resurrect her after 5 years dormancy.

  3. #123
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    I too have owned an 1100 and now a 1200.......the 1100 wa stock but the 1200 is jetted with Roo can......All i can say is the 1200 with mods is mental......I opened it up in a straight line and i felt all the blood drain out of my face....
    To me it seems more planted when you lean it over in bends compared to my 1100....no doubt due to the wider tyre and wider swing arm.....
    I enjoyed my 1100 and no doubt i will enjoy this one but i never fancied taking either of them on a track day......Too heavy.

  4. #124
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    My 1100 was in blue....the only one i ever saw in nz......Really liked that colour too.
    Last edited by laidbackdood; 09-24-2013 at 01:28 PM.

  5. #125
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    I got a question about differences in engines 1100 vs 1200. When I change the oil, I discover that my oil pan is broken, just near the oil drain plug, BTW the design of oil pan in ZRX is really poor... should be hide and not expose to damage.
    My question is: the oil pans in the 1100 and 1200 are the same? Can I remove my broken pan and replace it with a pan from 1100? In my country, secondhand oil pan to 1100 is 2x cheaper than oil pan to 1200.
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  6. #126
    CarlM
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Will 1100 triple fit a 1200 frame? The off set is different right? Will the ignition switch plug into a 1200 loom? This will slightly shorten the wheel base correct? Is this part of the reason people claim the 1100 handles better?
    Last edited by green12; 08-21-2017 at 01:05 AM.


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  7. #127
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by green12 View Post
    Will 1100 triple fit a 1200 frame? The off set is different right? Will the ignition switch plug into a 1200 loom? This will slightly shorten the wheel base correct? Is this part of the reason people claim the 1100 handles better?
    Yes x 5.


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  8. #128
    CarlM
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    the triple will fit and works better? You've done it? yes to everything? I know a guy that says he wants to do this. He found a 1100 triple on Craig's.


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  9. #129
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by green12 View Post
    the triple will fit and works better? You've done it? yes to everything? I know a guy that says he wants to do this. He found a 1100 triple on Craig's.
    I didn't say it would work better or worse, don't know. That's not what you originally asked. You can't mix 1100/1200 uppers and lowers, but you can swap them as sets.


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  10. #130
    CarlM
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Thanks for the info.


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  11. #131
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    I am still planning on my engine swap (will pick up the 1200 this weekend).
    So, if I sum up, what I extracted from this thread for me:

    Carbs: The needles and jetting are different (1100 carbs have #95 main jets on all four; 1200 have '95 on 2 and 3 and #92 on 1 and 4).
    Will using my 1100 carbs, combined with the 1100 ECU with a slightly different timing, make a significant difference when run with a 1200 engine? So, will the slightly richer mixture on 1 and 4 make any difference at all or should I better run the 1200 carbs in my combination?

    Engine mount: The lower rear engine mount was changed for the 1200. Same bolt location for mounting the engine, but the frame has a different bracket.
    From everything I heard here, the 1100/1200 swap is no problem, so I guess, the different bracket still fits with a 1200 engine?

    Engine geometry: 1200 engine head sits about half an inch further forward.
    Will this possibly be a problem with fitting my header being made for the 1100?

    Shifter: Shifter levers are different.. NOT interchangeable!
    So, will I fit my 1100 shifter lever on the 1200 gear shaft then? Is the shifter lever only different regarding frame mounting?

    Thanks in advance for your clarifications.
    Last edited by Black-ZRX; 08-21-2017 at 10:11 AM.
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  12. #132
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences? SOMEBODY KICK IN!

    Somebody needs to go back to ChuckC's answer, quote it, then add each additional bit (there's a few on page 2) and compile all of these answers (the GOOD ones, not the green is faster type, however true it may be). THEN, have the mods make it a permanent sticky.

    FWIW, the long quoted reply on page 2 with additions in red is the best starting point.
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  13. #133
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Carl - the ignition switch plug is different, the 1100 has a separate wire (brown) with a bullet connector for the anti-theft.
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  14. #134
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZRX Mitch View Post
    Carl - the ignition switch plug is different, the 1100 has a separate wire (brown) with a bullet connector for the anti-theft.
    Hey Mitch, won't the 1200 connector still plug into the 1100 harness? I could have sworn that two will still work interchangeably. If not, I apologize for the misinformation Carl. I haven't worked on those components for quite a while.


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  15. #135
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    For clarification:The information I gathered above are extracts from the earlier posts already (except for the jet details and the ECU bit).
    My questions were more in regard to possible implications for an engine swap (which I am planning).
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  16. #136
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?






    Quote Originally Posted by c10 View Post
    1100's handle better .
    Quote Originally Posted by KWICK View Post
    The 1100's handle better.
    Quote Originally Posted by zrx24 View Post
    In stock trim the 1100s do indeed handle better than the 1200s.

  17. #137
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black-ZRX View Post
    I am still planning on my engine swap (will pick up the 1200 this weekend).
    So, if I sum up, what I extracted from this thread for me:

    Carbs: The needles and jetting are different (1100 carbs have #95 main jets on all four; 1200 have '95 on 2 and 3 and #92 on 1 and 4).
    Will using my 1100 carbs, combined with the 1100 ECU with a slightly different timing, make a significant difference when run with a 1200 engine? So, will the slightly richer mixture on 1 and 4 make any difference at all or should I better run the 1200 carbs in my combination?
    It will run with either ECU , of stock exhaust and airbox 1200 carbs jetting would be best but either will work.

    Engine mount: The lower rear engine mount was changed for the 1200. Same bolt location for mounting the engine, but the frame has a different bracket.
    From everything I heard here, the 1100/1200 swap is no problem, so I guess, the different bracket still fits with a 1200 engine?
    Yes, bracket works with 1200 engine.

    Engine geometry: 1200 engine head sits about half an inch further forward.
    Will this possibly be a problem with fitting my header being made for the 1100?
    No , header will fit with no issues.


    Shifter: Shifter levers are different.. NOT interchangeable!
    So, will I fit my 1100 shifter lever on the 1200 gear shaft then? Is the shifter lever only different regarding frame mounting?
    Shift spline on engine is the same , your 1100 shifter will work. They will interchange as long as you use entire shifter/ peg assembly . You cannot put a 1100 shifter on a 1200 peg assembly or vice versa, that shaft is different.


    Thanks in advance for your clarifications.
    I have swapped 1200 and 1224 into 1100 frame once each and have a 1109 on a 1200 frame . No issues , I run pods and full exhaust so jetting is no where near stock and run zx11 cdi on both bikes. Never had issue with exhaust matching up .

  18. #138
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by TGHW View Post
    Hey Mitch, won't the 1200 connector still plug into the 1100 harness? I could have sworn that two will still work interchangeably. If not, I apologize for the misinformation Carl. I haven't worked on those components for quite a while.


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    Im not sure Tim. It makes sense that the plug would be the same, just not sure how the wiring is different so that the brown wire is included in the multi-plug on the 1200.
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  19. #139
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZRX Mitch View Post
    Im not sure Tim. It makes sense that the plug would be the same, just not sure how the wiring is different so that the brown wire is included in the multi-plug on the 1200.


    I guess someone will need to try it to confirm.


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  20. #140
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by TGHW View Post


    I guess someone will need to try it to confirm.


    TG
    A long time ago I used a 1200 lockset with an 1100. The plugs do interchange with the exception of the brown wire. I just handled that separately, and everything else worked perfectly.
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  21. #141
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by K Foster View Post
    A long time ago I used a 1200 lockset with an 1100. The plugs do interchange with the exception of the brown wire. I just handled that separately, and everything else worked perfectly.
    Thanks for the confirmation.



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  22. #142
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Thanks schmoo for the info.

    Maybe someone else can provide some reassurance regarding carbs/CDI...
    I'd imagine by the specs that the slightly bigger 1&4 jets would not post any problem, but then again I think "there surely was a reason why they changed that".
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  23. #143
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Still some questions I did not find an info for - are the following parts interchangeable between 1100 and 1200?
    • Pulser cover gasket (when I look I find the 1100 gasket easily but no 1200)
    • Alternator
    • Starter
    • Water pump

    I.e., are there any peripherals on the engine that are different?

    Thanks a million like usually...
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  24. #144
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black-ZRX View Post
    Still some questions I did not find an info for - are the following parts interchangeable between 1100 and 1200?
    • Pulser cover gasket (when I look I find the 1100 gasket easily but no 1200)
    • Alternator
    • Starter
    • Water pump

    I.e., are there any peripherals on the engine that are different?

    Thanks a million like usually...
    Of the 4 you mentioned all are interchangeable.

  25. #145
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Clutch friction plates and springs are different.

    Clutch hub, steels, pressure plate are identical.

  26. #146
    BadAss Hooligan
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    so 1200's came w/stainless header & can? (post #136) Nice
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cundalini View Post
    so 1200's came w/stainless header & can? (post #136) Nice
    Yes, but '01-'03 headers were still painted black.
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  28. #148
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    I think the blue 03s came with SS headers, not black

  29. #149
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    I think the blue 03s came with SS headers, not black
    Nope. Black painted SS. O4&5 Are polished SS.

  30. #150
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Anyone have access to both an 1100 and a 1200 (the later the better) swingarm at the moment?

    I could do with a measurement or two of the bottom shock mounting bracket.

    I bought a used set of jack-up blocks for my 1200, but the mounting holes will not line up due to the difference in the edge angle of the mounting bracket compared to the design of the block.

    The blocks were originally designed for and fitted to an 1100 and several owners of the ZRX1100 have said they'd no fitment issues with the same type of block.

    I'm wondering if the bracket was changed (lengthened would be my guess) when the new swinger design for the 1200 was developed.

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