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    1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    OK Im new to this 1100 stuff. I know the following are different, but what else?

    Swingarm. 1100 round and lame looking. 1200 strong.
    rear wheel more narrow. What, a half inch?
    Front forks? I know theres a different brace?
    Speedo. 1100 states 170, 1200 180mph. Both lie.
    Obviously the engine internals.
    Anything else?
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by GA Limited GM View Post

    rear wheel more narrow. What, a half inch?


    10 millimeters = .394"

    FWIW: the rear tire is also a larger diameter on the 1200. The rear axle on the 1200 in my garage is about 1" higher than the rear axle on my 1100.
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckc View Post
    10 millimeters = .394"

    FWIW: the rear tire is also a larger diameter on the 1200. The rear axle on the 1200 in my garage is about 1" higher than the rear axle on my 1100.
    Aren't the wheels marked J17xMT5.0 for the 1100 and J17xMT5.50 for the 1200? That would make them .5" (12.7mm).
    I would also think that the tire brand would have a lot to do with the OD
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Electrical connector on the end of ignition key connection.

    On gas tank underneath rear the shape is lower.

    The numbers ...1 instead of 2 after the first 1 on emblems.

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    will a set of 1100

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    sorry bout that, but will a set of 1100 wheels fit on a 1200?

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    first is it true the 1200 has a stainless header pipe? and if so is it a bolt on to the 1100? my 2000 header is getting rusty and i hate painting it ss would be nice thanks

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    2004 in the UK had a shiney front pipe, It will fit all model years, even 1100, but you need the correct end can for an 1100. 1200 no problem.

    google zrx1200 2004, images to see.
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    improved steering head strength on the 1200
    cast iron cylinder liners on the 1100 vs nicasil or what ever the special coating is called on the 1200
    1 litre smaller gas tank on the 1100 but generally better fuel milage for some unkown reason Probably because we can carry more speed through the turns so we do not have to hit is so hard to catch up on the straights
    you can put a 160/60 on the back of the 1100 and really sharpen up the handling
    probably more but there are a few for ya
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnie Phatt View Post
    you can put a 160/60 on the back of the 1100 and really sharpen up the handling

    jp
    do tell. a shorter sidewall is that correct? to what effect?

    comparo pix?

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1008 View Post
    do tell. a shorter sidewall is that correct? to what effect?

    comparo pix?
    To be completely honest I do not know.
    The sidewall will be different and \I would assume shorter due to the ratio of the 170 compared to the 160.
    Also the tire will have a different profile as the 5 inch rim is at the wider end of a 160 tire where as it is in about the middle of the 170 as \i understand it.

    I do believe the single biggest reason from my limited research is that when heeled over the contact patches front to rear are more closely in line with each other and thus closer to turning the same line in the corner

    I do know that to me there is no doubt that it turns in quicker and tracks more easily with the 160 and I had no significant increase in middle of the tire wear from all the straight roads around here

    I am running a bone stock 2000 1100 motor and exhaust that makes 94 ponies on the local dyno so spinning up the rear upon corner exit has never been a concern (for me at least) and I will put on another one in the spring when it gets here It will be my third
    I run Metzeler M1's by the way and that is all I run so all of this is done on one tire brand \ymmv
    perhaps skinny triangulated tires like the Dunlops of old may not do so well
    added bonus they are a bit cheaper

    Gary 1129 was were i first got the idea and it has worked flawlessly for me
    Sorry I do not have a pic There is a small but noticable difference if you know what you are looking at but not a single zrx member around here noticed it until they were told of the swap
    hey its only a tire so give it a try just for fun
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    shifter levers are different.. NOT interchangeable!


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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    stock gearing is different between the two, but you knew that. And the rear wheel difference is more than the width... the rear sprockets are not interchangeable between 1100 & 1200.

    Stock handlebars are different... you'll find the 1100 gives you a more upright riding position.

    Gas cap mounting ring thingie is different. So is the tank-to-frame mount.

    I believe there's a slight difference in shock length - like 1/4".

    The ECUs are different. They're interchangeable, they're not physically different, but (I believe) their timing control is different.

    1200s have those nasty bronze engine covers.

    Your motor mod $$ will go a lot farther in the 1100.
    Last edited by Oxycodone; 10-29-2008 at 07:36 PM. Reason: keep remembering more...

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxycodone View Post
    Stock handlebars are different... you'll find the 1100 gives you a more upright riding position.
    .
    I thought they felt a little different....

    Mod money goes farther? Uh, because supply and demand?
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by GA Limited GM View Post
    I thought they felt a little different....

    Mod money goes farther? Uh, because supply and demand?

    In some cases. ZX11 cams are way cheaper and easier to find than ZZR cams.

    1109 piston kits are usually less expensive than 1224 kits.

    The 1100 has iron sleeves, so there's no need for rather expensive replating after boring that you have to have on the 1200.

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxycodone View Post
    In some cases. ZX11 cams are way cheaper and easier to find than ZZR cams.

    1109 piston kits are usually less expensive than 1224 kits.

    The 1100 has iron sleeves, so there's no need for rather expensive replating after boring that you have to have on the 1200.
    Absolutely correct, ZX-11 cams, J&E, or CP 1109 piston kit, jet kit for the carbs, (or Keihin 39's), and a good exhaust system and you'll get an easy 130 to 135HP to the rear wheel.

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by GA Limited GM View Post
    Good stuff Oxy. I'm going to try and hang onto this one awhile and being I'm about to break 50k, Im already thinking about an 1109 kit.
    53,000, all but a couple thou with an 1109.

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    The 1109 alone gained what? 10-15hp? Or did you do other stuff at the same time?
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by GA Limited GM View Post
    I thought they felt a little different....

    Mod money goes farther? Uh, because supply and demand?
    no, that the engine shares dimension with the zx11, and that bike has used parts at lower prices & many more out there in the supply system (ebay) versus the 1200 only has an 5 yr run bike of the zzr1200 for cams and such,

    the 1200 frame has strengthened lower rear engine mounts.
    the tripple clamps have different angles on inclination that affects front geometery,
    they share the same front wheel,axle, speedo drive, brakes calipers, rotors, but not the rear wheel, its all different, you can swap the complete 1200 rear end( swingarm, wheel exct.) and it bolts up and chain aligns.
    the forks are similiar but not the same, they have the same adjustable points, however internals different, external dimension also slighty off.

    from 03 thru 05 the side covers are color matched
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    My 04 has black lower forks.

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by beantown View Post
    My 04 has black lower forks.


    I've seen that before. Could be left-overs from the previous years, or they coulda been swapped somewhere along the line.
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Side covers on 1200s are painted to match. at least after 04..
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Just to clarify - did you say the 1200 swing arm will fit the 1100 ?
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by mur606 View Post
    Just to clarify - did you say the 1200 swing arm will fit the 1100 ?
    Yes.
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by MavWrek View Post
    It's a 1200
    correction, its an 1100, 2000 model, orgionaly in black
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by PapaRex View Post
    The 1200 is faster but I can routinely spank them in the twisties with my trusty 1100.
    And then you woke up, there is less difference than a good set of tyres or a suspension tweek can make.
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    The standard exhausts are different, especially the can to link pipe bolt angle.

    1200 engine head sits about half an inch further forward.

    Water pump front pipe on 1100 has bracket bolted to frame, 1200 does not.

    Fuel level sender is different.

    Fuel cap is different.
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    The carb springs on the 1200 are shorter and stiffer.

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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    The 1200 side stand has a bigger "foot" than the 1100.
    Quote Originally Posted by chrly View Post
    A lot of the fun is going out of this place at a real quick pace .

    Got a sloppy shifter? I can fix that
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    Re: 1100 vs. 1200 differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxycodone View Post

    I believe there's a slight difference in shock length - like 1/4".


    I have a set of 1100 shocks and a set of 1200 shocks. Both are the same length.

    ---------------------
    Front forks:

    1100 any year - Forks are black. The top-most outer diameter is smallest on the 1100 because there is no bug deflector. Internals are rebuildable.

    1200 - 2001, 2002, 2003 - Forks are black. The top-most outer diameter is larger than the 1100 forks because Kaw added material so they could cut locating grooves in the housings. Internals are rebuildable.

    1200 / 2004, 2005 - Forks are silver, altho some 04s have black forks. The top-most outer diameter is larger (same as the earlier 1200s) than the 1100 forks because Kaw added material so they could cut locating grooves in the housings. Internals are not rebuildable.

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    Somewhere along the line the brake and clutch levers were made in silver on the 1200. They're black on the 1100.

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    The cylinder spacing is different on the 1100 vs. the 1200. That means the crankcase, block, and head are different.

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    The lower rear engine mount was changed for the 1200. Same bolt location for mounting the engine, but the frame has a different bracket.

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    Exhaust header and cans were changed for the 1200.

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    1100 has two horns. 1200 has only one.

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    Later model 1200s have different front rotors, as far as the cut-outs go. They will interchange. The 1100 and 2001/2002 rotors are the same.

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    Triple trees are different, but I do not know if it is all 1200s or just the 03 thru 05. They're silver, and do not have nuts on the lower clamp bolts. (Triple trees are threaded on the 1200)

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    Rear brake link/torque arm is shorter on the 1200.

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    1200 gages and idiot-light panel are different colors 1100 vs. 1200.
    1100's have chrome gauge housings. 1200's are black

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    The rear wheel on the 1200 is about 5mm farther to the right than the 1100 rear wheel.

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    Stock sprockets are different, 1100 vs. 1200

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    Chain part numbers are the same.

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    1100s have metal chain guards. 1200s have plastic chain guards. They do not interchange.

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    Side covers were color-matched on the 1100s & 04/04 1200s. They're all gray on the 01, 02, & 03 1200s.

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    Somewhere along the line the front calipers got a new color. Might have been in 01, might have been in 03.

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    Rear signals are different - 1100 have bullet connectors, 1200 have a multi-plug.
    Last edited by chuckc; 10-30-2008 at 12:18 AM.
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