Tuning issues DJ, RS3

[kpedigo]

Ok I'm at a loss here. Here are the mods

Yosh RS3 installed
Stock Honeycomb piece removed from factory header
DJ stage I kit installed.

I followed the instructions and here are my settings:
A/F 2.5 out
Clip #4 down from the top
Jets #94

The problem is it smokes at idle & worse at higher RPM's
The bike pulls nice through all the RPM ranges, pops on deceleration. I just want to get the smoking and popping to go away.

[skandix]

Turn out the idle air screw out another 1/2 turn or so. Popping will go away. What do you mean by smoking?

[kpedigo]

The smell of fuel, & smoke out the pipe.

[kpedigo]

Do I need block off plates?

[skandix]

Start doing one adjustment at a time. Turn the idle screws out bu 1/2 turn out until popping goes away. Sounds to me you are running lean. Do the block off plates and pollution mod to help the HP gain you are looking for and get rid of the colored smoke.

[beantown]

The smell of fuel, & smoke out the pipe.

Sound to me like it's running rich. At idle whack the throttle and see if there is a puff of black smoke. If so lower the needle 1 clip.

Here is another test. Ride the bike in second gear, hold it at 4K rpm and whack the throttle wide open. If the bike feels bogged down lower your needle (raise the clip one notch). If the bike is popping or has a miss around 7.5K rpm it's to lean raise your needles.

Popping on decel back out your pilot screws as said earlier.

[kpedigo]

Thanks for the info. I hope to have this sorted soon.

[kpedigo]

Here is what I found 1 was rich 2 through 4 were just on the lean side. I moved 1 washer under the needles still keeping the clip on #4 from the instructions. Some how #1 had the A/F screw out one turn more than the others. I'll have it running in a few days to test it out.

Here is a tip. Place a rag or paper towel over the generator / starter if you are pulling the slides. I had a screw fall through and land under the starter. I had to pull the generator to get to the screw.

[kpedigo]

Looks like it has cleared up. It still pops from 4k to about 2k on decel. It pulls good no smoke.

I have a quote for about $350 for a dyno tune. Is it worth it?

[KWICK]

The smell of fuel, & smoke out the pipe.

You are running a stock header with a slip-on, correct?

If so, get a full exhaust system before you waste any more time.

Really.

[KWICK]

Looks like it has cleared up. It still pops from 4k to about 2k on decel. It pulls good no smoke.

I have a quote for about $350 for a dyno tune. Is it worth it?

See above.

[kevh]

Looks like it has cleared up. It still pops from 4k to about 2k on decel. It pulls good no smoke.

I have a quote for about $350 for a dyno tune. Is it worth it?

just pay for a dyno run with the sniffer and then come back here once you get the results. the good folks here will walk you though the necessary adjustments (you have already done the hard part)

[kpedigo]

I'm still using the stock header. I won't be able to upgrade for a while

[KWICK]

I'm still using the stock header. I won't be able to upgrade for a while

Then put the stock jetting back in till you are serious. No matter what you do with a stock header, you won't gain more than 3 hp.

[kevh]

Then put the stock jetting back in till you are serious. No matter what you do with a stock header, you won't gain more than 3 hp.

quit crapping on his upgrade. if he wants to put a slip-on on his bike and gain a couple extra poinies, as well as lose some weight and get a better sound, that is his choice. he may improve driveability and throttle response as well.

think of it this way, he spent less and will gain more than your ti kickstand gained you

kpedigo...if you put it on a dyno, be sure and have it sniffed. that is the best way to get an accurate idea of where the jetting is

[KWICK]

He was quoted $350 to get it dyno tuned...if he spends that on a slipon, it would be a waste of the money he COULD spend on a nice full exhaust.

He's on a budget it sounds like, and his money would be better spend in a different direction.

Maybe I'm missing something? What does this have to do with a Ti kickstand that I bartered for??

[kpedigo]

I'm already in to it for a slipon and jet kit. I'm looking to get the bike up and running with what I have. I did look over the parts for sale section and it looks like I just missed a full muzzy with pods for $250.

Here is an example in my testing, my MPG dropped from 36 with the stock pipe and jetting to 30 with this setup.

I think I'm getting close, but I'm not there yet. I need to pull the plugs after the 40mi round trip to work today and see what the plugs look like. I tried the drop idle method, but that did not work for me so I'm going to have to use the butt dyno and read the plugs.

Kevh thanks for the tip about just having a dyno run instead of the tune, it might save $200 bucks.

I don't see Kwick as dumping on my mods, just pointing out facts. I think it's great info to have to know the stock header is junk when you start modding the bike. Yea I was cheap and did not want to spend around 1K on a full system.

I'm even starting to think maybe one thread I looked at about the DJ kit was it's junk and people move on to another kit and don't post their mistake with the DJ kit. I think the thread pointed out that the bike will never run right with this kit. I had received the DJ kit when I read that.

Here is a short summary of the time I spent.
4 hours pulling the carbs
1.5 hours installing the kit
4 hours getting the carbs back in.
5 hours this weekend putting the washer under the needles & checking the plugs. I dropped a screw that landed in under the starter. I had to pull the generator to get this out.

Plus one month of the bike sitting around, I just did not have the time to mess with it. It cost me 320 in fuel instead of 60 if I would have taken the bike to work. So I can almost justify 350 for the dyno tune based on my time and fuel costs of not riding.

[TGHW]

I'm already in to it for a slipon and jet kit. I'm looking to get the bike up and running with what I have. I did look over the parts for sale section and it looks like I just missed a full muzzy with pods for $250.

Here is an example in my testing, my MPG dropped from 36 with the stock pipe and jetting to 30 with this setup.

I think I'm getting close, but I'm not there yet. I need to pull the plugs after the 40mi round trip to work today and see what the plugs look like. I tried the drop idle method, but that did not work for me so I'm going to have to use the butt dyno and read the plugs.

Kevh thanks for the tip about just having a dyno run instead of the tune, it might save $200 bucks.

I don't see Kwick as dumping on my mods, just pointing out facts. I think it's great info to have to know the stock header is junk when you start modding the bike. Yea I was cheap and did not want to spend around 1K on a full system.

I'm even starting to think maybe one thread I looked at about the DJ kit was it's junk and people move on to another kit and don't post their mistake with the DJ kit. I think the thread pointed out that the bike will never run right with this kit. I had received the DJ kit when I read that.

Here is a short summary of the time I spent.
4 hours pulling the carbs
1.5 hours installing the kit
4 hours getting the carbs back in.
5 hours this weekend putting the washer under the needles & checking the plugs. I dropped a screw that landed in under the starter. I had to pull the generator to get this out.

Plus one month of the bike sitting around, I just did not have the time to mess with it. It cost me 320 in fuel instead of 60 if I would have taken the bike to work. So I can almost justify 350 for the dyno tune based on my time and fuel costs of not riding.

There is nothing wrong with the DJ jet kit. Many members here are using that kit, including myself, without any problems.


TG

[kpedigo]

OK it looks like I might have this wrapped up. I brought the A/F screws out to 2.75 for all carbs. The popping is almost gone. I'll know on the way to work today, but on the short trip around the block it sounded real good in the 1k to 4k RPM range, just a slight pop. Nothing like it used to have.

[2veedubs]

Hi there,

I also have the DJ2195 kit installed with a slip on, K&N and no issues. I see DJ offers a special kit for the CA model. Did you get the CA kit or the 49 state kit? I looked at the info for both kits and the only difference I could find was the jets were called CJ94 in the CA kit and DJ94 in the 49 state kit??? Same needles etc., the jet sizes are all the same just named different. Anyone know the real difference between the two?

[2veedubs]

Looks like Forza already covered the difference in another post. You stated in another post that the carbs dropped off your work bench while you were putting in your jet kit!! Ouch...

Here is what Forza had to say

forza

I spoke to DynoJet in regards to the 49 state and CA jet kit they have listed for 1200's.
It turns out that the main jets on the CA jet kit are shorter than the 49 stater's main jets.
I guess it has to do with the emissions solenoid garbage in the bottom of the float bowls. I think I'm just going to run genuine kehin jets to avoid any issues. I wonder if a float height adjustment will be needed?
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[KWICK]

Looks like Forza already covered the difference in another post. You stated in another post that the carbs dropped off your work bench while you were putting in your jet kit!! Ouch...

Here is what Forza had to say

forza

I spoke to DynoJet in regards to the 49 state and CA jet kit they have listed for 1200's.
It turns out that the main jets on the CA jet kit are shorter than the 49 stater's main jets.
I guess it has to do with the emissions solenoid garbage in the bottom of the float bowls. I think I'm just going to run genuine kehin jets to avoid any issues. I wonder if a float height adjustment will be needed?
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Dynojet jets are made to a different scale than Keihin ones are. They do NOT swap number for number. They flow different also.

[tinman]

FWIW I paid about $400 bucks for a full Muzzy stainless, w/Aluminum cannister from Star Cycle on flea bay a couple years ago. I think they are still about the same.

[tinman]

Sorry, I went and looked. Now they are about $650

[kpedigo]

Looks like Forza already covered the difference in another post. You stated in another post that the carbs dropped off your work bench while you were putting in your jet kit!! Ouch...

Here is what Forza had to say

forza

I spoke to DynoJet in regards to the 49 state and CA jet kit they have listed for 1200's.
It turns out that the main jets on the CA jet kit are shorter than the 49 stater's main jets.
I guess it has to do with the emissions solenoid garbage in the bottom of the float bowls. I think I'm just going to run genuine kehin jets to avoid any issues. I wonder if a float height adjustment will be needed?
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I completed the install when the carbs fell. And yes that is causing more problems. It turns out that #1 is running so rich because one of the slide boots is torn. The fall was bad enough that it bent the screw that held the cap on. I think if I replace the slide I'll be fine. I'm going to pull the carbs this weekend and go through them again. I did adjust the floats after the fall. I have CA carbs and a CA kit.

So other than #1 cylinder it's running just a little lean still, I think that is were the popping is from I just won't be able to tell until I get the issue with the carbs sorted out and verify that the carbs were not trashed from the fall.

[TGHW]

Ouch!!!! Hold on to your wallet when you price one of those slides. Kawasaki is very proud of them.



TG

[kpedigo]

I was afraid of that

[KWICK]

let me know if you need any carb parts, I have a set I'll part out.

[kpedigo]

let me know if you need any carb parts, I have a set I'll part out.

Thanks for the offer.

[kpedigo]

Ouch!!!! Hold on to your wallet when you price one of those slides. Kawasaki is very proud of them.
TG

I guess they are proud, $105